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February 11, 2025 at 12:13 am #388084
I know this topic is been asked a million times, but for me, I never get a straight answer, I have an Ibanez Gio with a line 6 spider 3, I can’t get the tone or sound that I like, usually when I ask around I get all kinds of answers, like “oh yea a Squire and peavey backstage is all you ever need”, then some I hear are SO good but are tight lipped about what they have or don’t have an opinion.I played about 30 yrs ago, I was beginner-int range, I just got back into it. How critical are the pickups for sound?
I plan to buy a Paul Reed Smith guitar, and I just bought a Nux MG 400. Are discrete pedals better? also bought a Focusrite PC interface, and plan to DL amplitude to my PC.I also have a fender Excelsior tube amp. Please someone shed some light on this, before my guitar becomes FIREWOOD. Is it my playing or my equipment or what? I need something to motivate my practice, I’m at the point where I look at my guitar and get nauseated, its almost new, its sounds fairly well intonated. What about strings? what brand, what size? Elixirs that good? Do I need a strobe tuner like a Boss TU3 to tweak the intonation, and the action could be a little lower for me. The PRS guitar sounds so PRECISE, I love it, If after I purchase all this stuff and I hope I’m not disappointed.
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February 11, 2025 at 6:31 am #388096
That’s a really open question as good tone is in the ears of the listener. What you like may be different from the person next to you and visa versa.
There are plenty of people on the forum with much better knowledge of how to nail a tone than me but for them to help, your first step should be to try to quantify the tone you’re looking for?Do you want a single sound similar to a favourite musician, e.g. Clapton, SRV, Gilmour, Gary Moore etc etc? Or do you want to have a range of tones?
What don’t you like about the tones you’re currently getting. Too bright? Too dark? etc
Your biggest decision on a guitar is whether it has single coil pickups (e.g. Strat or Telecaster) or Humbuckers (e.g. Les Paul). Those will have the biggest impact on the sound it makes. Sure there will be a myriad of other details but that’s the key. Some guitars (PRS is a good example) have pickups that can be ‘split’ (my PRS SE Pauls does this) which allows you to have each pickup behave like a single coil or a humbucker to give you a range of sounds, though maybe not with the fidelity/nuance of a guitar that’s dedicated to one type.
I can’t really comment on your amp options as I’ve not tried either of those.
Most of us ‘chase tone’ in one way or another and will always be tweaking. All the additional elements you mention like strings, pedals etc will affect that, but sort the basics out first by identifying what you’re looking for and find the guitar and amp to suit that.
Intonation is really a one off thing, It shouldn’t change much if the guitar has been properly set up in the first place and a good store can check that before it’s delivered to you.
I’d recommend using your ears at your local guitar store with some guitar and amp combinations to help you home in on what you’re looking for. Or maybe you could arrange a trial of that PRS at home with your current amp options?
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February 11, 2025 at 8:32 am #388101
Andy has given you some excellent advice and info. I have an Ibanez RG550DX and think it sounds good but I prefer my PRS CE because it has a much wider range of tones. I think the pickups and the body wood make the difference. I also have a NuX MG 300 and it is pretty impressive. I think the Boss TU 3 is unnecessary (it’s not a strobe tuner by the way). If you ask most seasoned professionals they’ll tell you tone is in your fingers. I find that to be true but also think everything you mentioned also determines tone. Good luck on your quest for tone…that is a never ending search!
Joe
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
Or the strength of an Oak with roots deep in the ground.
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February 11, 2025 at 8:54 am #388105
Andy has given you some excellent advice and info. I have an Ibanez RG550DX and think it sounds good but I prefer my PRS CE because it has a much wider range of tones. I think the pickups and the body wood make the difference. I also have a NuX MG 300 and it is pretty impressive. I think the Boss TU 3 is unnecessary (it’s not a strobe tuner by the way). If you ask most seasoned professionals they’ll tell you tone is in your fingers. I find that to be true but also think everything you mentioned also determines tone. Good luck on your quest for tone…that is a never ending search!
Gary Moore sound would be one example yes, I like a TS sound, SRV another, and a heavy metal sound, I can’t get any with my amp models. So what do Luthiers use to intonate a guitar? Peterson? Have you ever seen the video of a guy playing a guitar with a pallet for a body? its sounds great.
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February 11, 2025 at 9:01 am #388106
I bought the guitar used from an individual, to me it does not sound nearly as good as that PRS guitar at the music store. Its not intonated well. I asked the music store if they did that, they said use a Boss TU3 and do it myself, Thats what I mean, I ask questions and and get different answers.
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February 11, 2025 at 10:33 am #388111
To intonate a guitar you need a good tuner so the Boss TU3 would fit the bill but any good tuner will work. A strobe tuner just makes it a little easier to see where the ‘in-tune’ spot is. I’ve used a strobe tuner app on an iPhone in the past. It’s easy to do on an electric guitar, the only other things you will need are a little screw driver to adjust the saddles and patience.
It should be the last thing you do when setting up a guitar as other adjustments like the action will affect it. If you’ve not done it before, there are plenty of YouTube videos or internet articles out there to guide you.
Just to be clear though, intonating your guitar will not change the way it sounds, just how in-tune it is when playing the higher frets, so its not going to fundamentally solve your tone dilemma. I’m sure your aware of that but mention it just in case 🙂
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February 11, 2025 at 9:15 am #388107
I just heard Robin Trower extermination blues, thats a great example of the sound I want. What are opinions of Amplitude? Thats an area I have no experience with, I was born in 64. The Focusrite thing allow me to use my PC as an amp and effects?
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February 11, 2025 at 11:26 am #388112
Yes, in principle. I say in principle as I’ve not used Amplitude so don’t know the details. But I’ve used Positive Grid’s BIAS AMP and BIAS FX which is a similar thing. Software emulating Amps and Pedals.
If it works in the same way, Amplitude will provide you one of two things but most probably both.
1) A software application that will connect to the Focusrite Scarlett on your PC and allow you to select amps, pedals etc. You will be able to hear what you play via the PC’s speakers or audio output.
2) Ultimately more useful, a VST (a software virtual instrument) that will plug into/extend your DAW and allow you to apply those amps and pedals to a recording you’ve made. Amplitude would come up as options inside your DAW.2) is a better workflow. You can record your raw signal from the guitar (or the output of NUX MG 300) via Focusrite into your DAW. Once recorded there, you can replay it changing amplitude settings to your hearts content until you hear something you like.
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February 11, 2025 at 2:04 pm #388116
A few years ago I finally realized something: The gear that a person NEEDS depends entirely on how they plan to use it. If you plan on being an on-stage performer, you need stuff that will sound good on the stage. If you are a bedroom performer, you need stuff that sounds good in a small room. If you are a Youtube performer, everything can be post-processed, so you just need the gear to do that.
Mick said this: You can’t always get what you want. But if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need.
Sunjamr Steve
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February 11, 2025 at 5:51 pm #388128
Yes, in principle. I say in principle as I’ve not used Amplitude so don’t know the details. But I’ve used Positive Grid’s BIAS AMP and BIAS FX which is a similar thing. Software emulating Amps and Pedals.
If it works in the same way, Amplitude will provide you one of two things but most probably both.
1) A software application that will connect to the Focusrite Scarlett on your PC and allow you to select amps, pedals etc. You will be able to hear what you play via the PC’s speakers or audio output.
2) Ultimately more useful, a VST (a software virtual instrument) that will plug into/extend your DAW and allow you to apply those amps and pedals to a recording you’ve made. Amplitude would come up as options inside your DAW.2) is a better workflow. You can record your raw signal from the guitar (or the output of NUX MG 300) via Focusrite into your DAW. Once recorded there, you can replay it changing amplitude settings to your hearts content until you hear something you like.
My PC is my practice point, I watch AM and you tube here, no I’m not nearly ready for on stage, maybe a man cave, that will be my biggest gig. So let me ask one more question, who is good to learn from on You tube besides AM, I also like Rustys guitar, blues, any others?
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February 12, 2025 at 8:20 am #388163
By coincidence there’s been a recent topic on the forum about guitar learning channels other than AM.
You can find it here.Cheers
Andy
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February 11, 2025 at 6:45 pm #388130
Assuming your guitar is setup correctly and in tune, the following have the largest effect on tone:
1. The pick you use – seriously, this will dramatically change sound and attack, especially on an electric. Your fingers also affect the tone if you don’t use a pick.
2. The amp – the amp sets a baseline tone. A fender amp does not sound like a Vox . Pedals can mimic the sound of a different amp, but not entirely.
3. The pickups – this is 80-90% the sound of an electric guitar, imho. The woods, hw, etc, have more to do with the feel and response.Those are the 3 things I would focus on when seeking the tone I want. However, I also prioritize feel when it comes to a guitar. If it does not feel great I will not want to play it.
Just my observations so hope it is helpful.
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February 11, 2025 at 8:35 pm #388137
Finding a guitar you are passionate about and want to pick up all the time is going to make you a better player. Whether that is design, looks, feel, can vary from player to player.
SRV played a Strat with single coil pickups through a loud Fender amp. So if you want that sound, there are a plethora of Stratocasters and Fender now makes a volume scalable Super Reverb. That will get you in The ballpark.
But if you just get a Strat style guitar and plug it into your DAW with an amp simulator you can get that sound d.
Strings…they are cheap and easy enough to try a variety till you find what you get what you like. I like D’addarios. -
February 12, 2025 at 8:00 pm #388175
Robin Trower – Love Robin Trower!!! I saw him twice just before COVID hit and he really put on great shows.
Robin uses a 100 watt Marshall amp CRANKED!!! loud with a Fulltone OCD overdrive pedal and a pedal that Fulltone made for him that is like a Wah pedal that is partial engagedWith the NUX pedal, you should be able to approximate that tone but it will take some patience.
Suggest that you look for a forum or user group and see if you can find either patches or someone that might advise youCorrect me if I’m wrong – the Fender Excelsior tube amp has a 15″ speaker with a Volume control and Tremolo control but no tone controls. Very cool amp – Guitar Mic & Accordion inputs with a Bright/Dark switch.
With the NUX pedal, this amp should get the job done for you – but patience in setting it up. Like I said, this is a very cool little amp with tons of tone and capabilitiesThis is amp that you set the volume at a certain level on the amp and use the volume and tone controls on your guitar. I’ll include some videos below
Try each input to see which sounds best because the impedance of each input will vary the tone slightly
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February 14, 2025 at 6:30 pm #388248
I’m a believer in the law of diminishing returns. As we spend more and more money on gear, we see less and less of a difference between the rungs of the ladder. Going from a $100 guitar to a $500 guitar- you’re probably gonna notice a big improvement. Going from $2100 to $2500? Not so much. Applies to all things, including strings and amps.
It’s not just about the money you’re spending, of course, personal preference comes into play. Money doesn’t always tell you how good a piece of gear is- I guess my point here is you could certainly see a difference with something new, but I don’t think you need to put yourself into the poor house to do it.
It does really sound like that Ibanez is limiting you, possibly the set up, the tone- or both. It also sounds like that PRS suits you better. You say it feels “precise” which is a pretty good sign in my book. It does indeed sounds pretty inspiring. Can you get it on a trial period?
The other pieces (Nux, fender amp) seem pretty solid, my guess here is the guitar is the weak link. I will however give a shout out to Positive Grid Spark. I love mine . It has the modeling and FX, like the Nux 400- but also the speakers are pretty great and may give you more play options. Just all depends on your day-to-day practice routine.
As for intonation, this is a normal part of guitar set up. Yes, you should learn to do it yourself- eventually. It’s also a great idea to have a tech do it your first time, and get it dialed in to your preferences. Then you’re just making micro adjustments as the seasons change. Bonus points if they let you watch!
Best of luck!
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